Chi Pics & Discussion-1

[master jules]

Cmon now guys.....lets all play nice

[SamuraiJack]

OK-As I have to agree, but not offend, naive, gullible, and dumbfounded are not insults. I tell my wife she is like one or two. And she FINALLY admits it. Straying off-topic and talking about a poster does no course in proper etiquette. On the other hand, letting words offend thee, does no course of maintaining martial discipline.

HOWEVER - this thread is not about "pointing fingers"

I want to always reiterate:

This thread is not about proving or disproving, it is a discussion.




Lets ALL go back and discuss in "to-the-point" sentences for each pic:

Chi or no Chi-Why and why not?

(I have back-tracked and labeled each.)


For example: Pic A is not Chi because the break is with the grain. If Chi was involved, the break could be made against the grain.

Dont give up and come back doing it better!
Thanks and keep posting

In the words of Wayne and Garth-WE ARE NOT WORTHY!!!!

[tsingtaoster]

Thanks Rick for your wise words.

I hope you dont mind if I use these;

Pics A & B
...is not Chi because the break is with the grain. If Chi was involved, the break could be made against the grain.

Pics C & D
...is not Chi because the break AGAIN is with the grain. Boards in mid air take more speed. I have seen a live demo like this, it took the so-called" master, 5 tries. Worse, after the demo, one of his assitanrs were caryying extra boards, and two dropped-they cracked in half upon a simple, low-level drop.

Pics E & F
...is more difficult, but nit Chi. As with any board breaking, the material, per what kind of wood is being used. Also, how was the wood prepped and propped?

Pics G & H
...blocks are less densed and easirtr to break than wood. The spacers in bewteen aloow the pancake effect. The top one is crashing upon the others. I think this is what some call the "Dominoe Effect"

Pics I thru T
...though I cant readily explain the whole thing, the nails in the bed are spaced to where they distribute weight and pressure. Interesting to note, when my Uncle was in the Military, not too long after WWII, he visited India, and these were done as sideshows. Like snake charming and magic shows, there is a "trivk" to it. Most famous magicians had studied in India to learn illusions. So too, can Evangelsits and Martial Artists, to demonstrate extraordinary claims.

I still stand by my opinion, that people who believe in these things other than "Hocus Pocus Magic Illusions", are naive and gullable.

[kchenault]

For the sake of showing what CLyon was talking about...

People who have no faith are pompous and arrogant.

Am I name calling or just giving an opinion? I think that in order for people to NOT be offended, personal opinion on what you think of peoples beliefs about something should not come into play. I say this because Tsingtaoster seems to be trying very hard to bring religion, but the larger issue, his thoughts on the subject of religion, into this "discussion". Twice now you have taken a swipe at people of faith. That is how I read your posts. If you have no faith, fine. Don't berate me for mine.

I will also say that this discussion will not be able to keep itself out of these areas because of the subject matter itself. Discipline me if you want to, but I thought this needed to be said.

Chi exists or it doesn't. There really isn't much discourse that won't degrade into a prove it or disprove it discussion when you have two schools of thought on the matter.

I'm out.

[Sapparo]

People who have no faith are pompous and arrogant.

Right! These are the ones doing the Chi demos for the naive and gullible.

[Rick]

In the words of Wayne and Garth-WE ARE NOT WORTHY!!!!

Although I dont mind a little "flattery", I am not looking for someone to support what I post. I rather see some post something supportive to the thread-discussion.

[Rick]

Thanks Rick for your wise words.

I hope you dont mind if I use these;

Pics A & B
...is not Chi because the break is with the grain. If Chi was involved, the break could be made against the grain.

Pics C & D
...is not Chi because the break AGAIN is with the grain. Boards in mid air take more speed. I have seen a live demo like this, it took the so-called" master, 5 tries. Worse, after the demo, one of his assitanrs were caryying extra boards, and two dropped-they cracked in half upon a simple, low-level drop.

Pics E & F
...is more difficult, but nit Chi. As with any board breaking, the material, per what kind of wood is being used. Also, how was the wood prepped and propped?

Pics G & H
...blocks are less densed and easirtr to break than wood. The spacers in bewteen aloow the pancake effect. The top one is crashing upon the others. I think this is what some call the "Dominoe Effect"

Pics I thru T
...though I cant readily explain the whole thing, the nails in the bed are spaced to where they distribute weight and pressure. Interesting to note, when my Uncle was in the Military, not too long after WWII, he visited India, and these were done as sideshows. Like snake charming and magic shows, there is a "trivk" to it. Most famous magicians had studied in India to learn illusions. So too, can Evangelsits and Martial Artists, to demonstrate extraordinary claims.

I still stand by my opinion, that people who believe in these things other than "Hocus Pocus Magic Illusions", are naive and gullable.

You are on the right track on HOW this thread/posting/discussion should be done.

And though I dont think that calling people naive, gullible, pompous, arrogant, dumbfounded, are insults (Words are only insults if taken as such, not knowing their definitions, and reapeated use).

I think that I dont want to step-in as a referee and declare right or wrong. That said, I want this thread to follow the format, such how you laid out-APART FROM THE LAST LITTLE NOTE.

Please-let this be a valuable lesson.



NOW-those who made any post here, please cpme back and post in accordance to the format;

EX;

Pics A & B
...is not Chi because the break is with the grain. If Chi was involved, the break could be made against the grain.

Pics C & D
...is not Chi because the break AGAIN is with the grain. Boards in mid air take more speed. I have seen a live demo like this, it took the so-called" master, 5 tries. Worse, after the demo, one of his assitanrs were caryying extra boards, and two dropped-they cracked in half upon a simple, low-level drop.

[DavidZ]

A & B: The boards are a sy=tndard type and thickness. Change these types and thicknesses and they cant be broken. If it was Chi it should over come slight variatons.

C & D: Like A-B the boards are carefully selected.

E & F: As woth the rest-carefully selected material
...is more difficult, but nit Chi. As with any board breaking, the material, per what kind of wood is being used. Also, how was the wood prepped and propped?

G & H: As was said-blocks are easier. A small amoount of force in the center sends a crack like the ripple effect.

I-T: I agree the bed - nails has been around long before martial artists start using it to fake Chi demos.

Sorry folks-sorry Rick-the lack or denial of science-physics and trustworthy accept these as Chi demos.

[vingtsunman]

If Chi can be proven, so can God.

If you take a picture of someone doing Chi, than this is actually not so because it would be like taking a picture of God, and telling everyone it is.

I have to agree, breaking demos and especially pics do not prove Chi.

[Bodhi]

well said vingtsunman

[SamuraiJack]

yes..great vsing.....

welcome bodhi

who gives you your most martial art insight (apart from google)

[tsingtaoster]

anyone talking about chi in a positive manner are delusional

[Rick]

Would anyone care to share anything else to this thread